in virginia governor romney was with congressman ryan there. they had the fireworks, and it actually reminlded me of when the republicans would criticize the democrats for having those pillars remember at the last democratic national convention. quite a beautiful sight, but even chuck todd and our first read team noted that image alone could look like you still have a few more debates to go. >> well, i think that's right. look, i think the romney campaign knows they don't want to be seen as too over the top either in their own comments or exuberance or the fireworks, which i system they weren't trying to suggest that this was the end of the election. >> absolutely not. >> they were having a moment to sell bralcelebrate and if the s on the other foot, i suspect obama would take heat for it. i doubt we'll have fireworks at the nekz presidential debate. >> you don't know. we might have a different kind of fireworks with vice president joe biden, which so many say now democrats are concerned of whether or not he will help or hurt. we'll talk about